Stringman, an $800 open-source room scale gripper robot (neufangled.com)
454 points by nharada 12 hours ago
nhnifong 7 hours ago
Hi there, I'm Nathaniel, the creator of this robot. Thanks for posting it :) If you have any questions feel free to ask.
Can it kill you? no probably not. The tension limit kicks in and lets the line out if you pull too hard.
Will it work in a room with a ceiling fan? usually its fine since you can lower the work area ceiling to exclude the fan.
Will it make my kids learn to not pick up after themselves? They never will anyways.
R1D3R 6 hours ago
> Can it kill you? no probably not. The tension limit kicks in and lets the line out if you pull too hard.
Is there a physical safety? The anchors are attached to the wall, do they release with less tension than a human airway can withstand? I have experienced injuries that would prohibit me from exerting a "backpack" of force over my head.
nhnifong 6 hours ago
There is a tension limit of 28 newtons on any single line. Beyond that, the motors release with a damped motion. This can be lowered, at the expense of payload capacity.
R1D3R 6 hours ago
joshspankit an hour ago
How does it handle the change in slack over time as the cables naturally deform?
its-summertime 3 hours ago
https://youtu.be/AWig98GVIno?t=155 might be worth looking into with regards to the descending rod, to make its length controllable without taking up much space
0xdeadbeefbabe 7 hours ago
If I had this I could get a roomba. Does that make sense?
bearfood an hour ago
If I get this, could it carry my Roomba up stairs so it'll cover my whole house?
financetechbro 6 hours ago
Totally agree. I would love a roomba but I have a dog so clutter in the living room is inevitable even after a clean up. This bot could sync with the roomba (or other robot vacuums) to ensure a space / path is clear before it is vacuumed
ithkuil 4 hours ago
histk_garden 5 hours ago
I made a big one for my garden. It is like a that scene in honey i shrunk the kids with Rick Moranis laying in that cantilevered flying cot thing but i use 2 high speed winches and some machined aluminum and the cabling sort of like an etch a sketch controls. I control it with the same usb gamepad that titanic sub imploded with. i can raise and lower myself about 4 feet to get inbetween the rows. It is pretty fun to play in too. I want to build a robot to get in it and then remotely control the whole thing. Its basically the same thing as the NFL spider cam but holds more because I'm a fatass and performs much worse. I used 12 foot 4x4s with concrete bases. Its about a 20 feet by 35 feet garden. My only real concern is the longevity of the cables, the hight im suspended at isn't really dangerous but i know i am not using the right cables for the winch. 3/16 in marine grade vinyl coated 4200 pound working load limit. my spools or whatever you want to call it is 6 inches im afraid theres too much tension on parts sometimes. I had an alternate design that used water as a ballast and you just pump or drain water to move around the grid but that was too ambitious for my lazy ass.
reasonabl_human 5 hours ago
Oh you’ve gotta send pics of this setup!
franktankbank 3 hours ago
Yea this sounds insane. I want pics.
komali2 2 hours ago
I would watch a video you made about this!
bigwheels 10 hours ago
It's an interesting concept, but I think I'll hold out for the full-body humanoid version.
There is an undeniable allure to the idea of a bipedal chassis realizing I'm an inefficient drain on corporate resources, then stabbing me to death while I sleep due to a minor Terms of Service violation.
tootie 8 hours ago
The desire for humanoid robots is purely aesthetic and almost certainly suboptimal. Ceiling mounted is actually a much more plausible option. Next most likely is something more like R2D2. A rolling garbage can with an arbitrary number of specialized appendages. Humanoids seem like a real dead end to me.
kevin_thibedeau 8 hours ago
Their benefit is they can operate in any space designed for a human without custom modification. No wires to get in the way with an assistant robot that interacts with the existing built world.
tootie 4 hours ago
bryanlarsen 8 hours ago
mrandish 6 hours ago
> almost certainly suboptimal.
I agree from an engineering and cost perspective that matching the embodiment, degrees of freedom and performance to the use case tends to be optimal. But entertainment, fun and inspiration can also be economically valuable use cases - even if less common.
That said, there are use cases which require navigating environments built for humans and the adaptive flexibility to perform unpredictable tasks as a human proxy. And those robots will probably be broadly humanoid shaped.
solyin 3 hours ago
Ish. Millions of years of evolution and other than snakes and their ilk, land-faring animals have legs. So bipedal with wheels on the feet is maybe optimal. The optimal number of arms I think is three. No "head" is strictly necessary. The interesting question is how do you train a three armed robot when there are few three armed people?
arbuge 8 hours ago
How does R2D2 climb stebs?
runamuck 7 hours ago
fnord77 2 hours ago
hathawsh 8 hours ago
We might be at the beginning of a golden age for inventors. Robots of all shapes and sizes, with highly variable price points and specialization. Still, the first challenge for R2D2 is probably stairs.
chamomeal 7 hours ago
Marha01 8 hours ago
The big benefit of humanoids is that they can be trained from captured human actions (egocentric datasets made by humans).
jephs 8 hours ago
komodo99 8 hours ago
embedding-shape 7 hours ago
> The desire for humanoid robots is purely aesthetic and almost certainly suboptimal
Based on what? Do you think humans evolved into what we are based purely on aesthetic? Of course it may be suboptimal, but given enough time and ingenuity, so could literally everything be. Not sure that should stop anyone.
victorbjorklund 6 hours ago
Jtarii 7 hours ago
onlyrealcuzzo 7 hours ago
> Humanoids seem like a real dead end to me.
We built the world for us, not for the most sensible robot.
So for generalized solutions, a good biped will have some advantages.
weirdish 9 hours ago
I'm sure with a little ingenuity you could rig up stringman to stab you to death!
fidotron 9 hours ago
Getting it to be forceful enough would be a bit interesting. Could certainly slowly strangle you in the cabling.
monkmartinez 9 hours ago
nancyminusone 9 hours ago
Bluestein 7 hours ago
jacquesm 9 hours ago
embedding-shape 9 hours ago
adamsmark 9 hours ago
Poison tipped syringe!
smnplk 9 hours ago
This reads very futuramaesque
doctorzook 9 hours ago
KumaBear 9 hours ago
Why humanoid though. I’d want the most efficient design to complete the task at hand. Even if the thing looks like a hybrid of an octopus meets Freddy Krueger
app134 8 hours ago
The world is already designed for the humanoid for factor. Instead of designing 1001 specialized robots, why not design one that can already use the stuff we have lying around?
adrian_b 6 hours ago
dyauspitr 9 hours ago
The difference is, I want the most efficient design that can complete every physical task that I can. That design is probably humanoid.
solyin an hour ago
schiffern 9 hours ago
nosrepa 4 hours ago
The tried and true Ex Machina.
pseidemann 8 hours ago
This also elegantly defines the meaning of (modern) life: comply.
failbuffer 8 hours ago
It's not a bug, it's a feature!
strangattractor 8 hours ago
Sorry - Over price claw machine:)
barbazoo 7 hours ago
> Tension is all you need
Rarely does a product announcement make me laugh out loud :)
goda90 6 hours ago
I kind of want to try something like this for garden weeding. Put a small spinning blade instead of a grabber arm on it. Computer vision can identify any weeds popping up and it'll go over and cut them before they get too big/woody for the blades. The challenge would be dodging taller plants and probably the forces that the blade would put on it.
comboy 5 hours ago
I think the project difficulty grows at least 10x with all the dust, insects wind, pollen in the air and whatnot even assuming you hide it for bad weather and you have secured very stable mount points. It sure would be cool though.
razster 5 hours ago
Some 12ft T-post, shelter for it to park, update weak points were dust & water can intrude. I think it's doable.
voidmain0001 3 hours ago
A small spinning blade? Sounds like the type 1 robots from Screamers https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114367/
harikb 4 hours ago
I am picturing a drone, one with the fan at the bottom :) OR one that can do a roadster maneuver at the right time.
Edit: Isn't there already one that Zap's weed with a laser?
everforward 5 hours ago
I wonder if you could make it work vertically. It might ease the geometric challenges.
Naively, spraying targeted roundup from above or cutting a circle around the stem to kill roots kind of thing.
hankbond 4 hours ago
Roundup is gross anywhere even in small amounts. If water and energy can be provided similarly to stringman, a heating element to deliver a small payload of boiling water usually suffices.
ada1981 3 hours ago
weeds, dog poop, etc. could be useful in your yard.
conductr 9 hours ago
My thoughts while watching the video
Robot picks up clothes -> this is stupid
Robot picks up kids toys -> this is brilliant
In reality though, I think the cables will never work in a household situation. It's a interesting concept and I'm sure it was fun to build :) Makes me wonder what commercial application this would work for, I'm sure there's something out there that would benefit from this over waiting on humanoid tech
simon01 9 hours ago
When I was 12, it was my job to pick up all the toys my much younger sibling had thrown around all house. I spent an hour every day doing that. I wish someone had gave something like this back then. It would save hundreds of hours
bahmboo 2 hours ago
It seemed like an hour it was probably 10 minutes!
conductr 9 hours ago
lol. I had much younger siblings too and have memories of pulling out the dust pan and broom if I had to clean after them. Luckily wasn’t my daily job, yikes!
Karliss 8 hours ago
Only widespread commercial application of cable robots I have seen is cameras in stadiums and concert venues.
I guess in most industrial use cases it makes more sense to have a robot stationary and move the parts around with conveyors. Doing it that way allows to pipeline and parallelize the manufacturing process. In contrast the large operating volume covered by cable robot needs to be served by single robot exclusively.
daemonologist 8 hours ago
I've always thought they could be good in agriculture (can't pipeline the ground, after all). Dealing with wind would probably require a ~fully constrained 6 line system though.
defrost 5 hours ago
fritzo 6 hours ago
conductr 5 hours ago
The MakerMade CNC machine is pretty interesting concept
BorisMelnik 9 hours ago
I'm thinking about the legos with chocolate milk spilled all over it, or the bowl of cereal sitting on top of the kids toys.
I wonder how it would handle something like a blanket or pillow on top of the toys
nomel 9 hours ago
A fourth cable would allow you to keep the other three constrained up high, with fourth being to lower. Would require some close looped control to eliminate swaying though.
tootie 8 hours ago
For $800 I think it's pretty incredible. If something like this is plausible then you may see a future version built with rails.
d--b 8 hours ago
Same here I had a 3rd step in my thinking though:
Robot can't open ikea drawers -> this is not gonna work
monkmartinez 9 hours ago
Awesome!!! I love projects like this.
Reminded me of the Hangprinter https://github.com/tobbelobb/hangprinter which has been around for around for long time... always wanted to build one.
rao-v 6 hours ago
This really needs a way to pull the strings and bot out of the way when not in use.
Something like an extra string running along the edge of a wall that could “gather up” the diagonal strings and tuck them away on an edge or corner would make this a much easier impulse purchase.
Hasz 9 hours ago
To those asking about more demanding tasks, I totally think this thing could scale up, reminds me of Maslow CNC (and predecessors):
basically a cable driven 4x8 sheet router.
yathern 10 hours ago
Very clever - and I love "tension is all you need"
jayd16 9 hours ago
Can it make a bed? Actually, can it lift a comforter? Can it fold towels?
I think the form factor is actually fine but the specs probably need a boost.
monkmartinez 9 hours ago
These things are scalable... but I am not sure the PAF "partner acceptance factor" would pass depending on what you wanted to accomplish.
stickfigure 9 hours ago
Realistically, this has one application: The kids' room. PAF might be higher than you think.
BHSPitMonkey 10 hours ago
I love the ingenuity, though it's all fun and games until someone or something manages to yank down on one of the cables...
HeyLaughingBoy 9 hours ago
Probably sell more of them as expensive cat toys.
HeyLaughingBoy 9 hours ago
I was actually just thinking about something like this this morning. Mainly because I was idly wondering if the kinematics would work with just 3 supporting cables. Intuitively, it seems like it should, but I haven't bothered to research it yet.
Anyone?
wave_function 9 hours ago
3 cables should work. Each cable length is a single parameter that defines a sphere around the mount, and the intersection of three spheres defines a point.
I suspect the reason they chose 4 is that 3 cables would limit you to a triangular region, so you’d only be able to access half the room.
swid 9 hours ago
You can join two of the cables together that come from each corner unit into one. each unit - still with an eye hole in another corner - moves the cable left or right. With the opposite corner unit, you can pick X,Y on the ceiling. I'd put the third cable in the grabber, which can be used to lower it to the floor.
Probably if you went this way, you'd want to measure each ceiling cable so it is about X+Y length, or otherwise the slack needs to be held somewhere.
This is one less actuator than their system if I understand them, and they are not counting the gripper itself.
jameshart 9 hours ago
Range of motion would be confined to the space beneath the triangle bounded by the three anchor points. Most spaces are rectangular, so bounding it to four corners would seem likely to give a more useful range of motion.
stickfigure 9 hours ago
Perfect for your triangular rooms!
komodo99 8 hours ago
Me, i'm wondering if the coreXY kinematics could be adapted to make do with only two actuators on four anchors.
MisterTea 9 hours ago
I've been wanting to build a cable robot for Halloween which flys a ghost around the front yard with a vision system that detects people passing by and the ghost floats towards them and follows them.
Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 8 hours ago
Awesome! Though I'm thinking that you can do MUCH MUCH more things with 2 grippers than with one. Has all been tried in terms of weight management to instead of having a motor in the air with a gripper, putting two motors on each end corner of the ceiling that can pull a line tethered to a (in the air) pulley system that grasps? You could then have say 4 lines to pull (1 left grip, 1 right grip, 1 to adjust both gripper's distance, 1 to rotate the in the air platform).
totetsu 2 hours ago
I was thinking about one of these to find the best cellphone reception in a room.
CodeWriter23 7 hours ago
Do you think it can be scaled down to pick from random pile of M2-M5 bolts and sort into Gridfinity bins?
goda90 6 hours ago
If you're willing to do a bit of loading and unloading labor(I know, it's a lot to ask) some people have been trying out simpler solutions to that problem: https://makerworld.com/en/models/982703-bolt-screw-separatio...
robotnikman 6 hours ago
Have the claw pick up an even smaller claw that picks up the bolts!
structuredPizza 8 hours ago
I was working on something similar, stoked to see this type of project making it out of the labs! The inspiration for most similar systems are industrial settings with automated bridge cranes which are fantastic, almost surgical when everything is symmetrical in the active environment.
passive 8 hours ago
Very cool, might have to try to rig something like this up in the workshop side of our basement, which is almost always a mess.
$800 is already super cheap, and the openness makes it likely you could implement even cheaper options yourself.
rlam2x51 6 hours ago
How is the wife acceptance factor of this thingy?
koolba 8 hours ago
This is really cool!
Would more taut crossed wires and a descending line for the grabber (like the one at an arcade) solve the humans crossing wire path problem? Then it becomes separate x/y and z.
demritocracy 7 hours ago
A lot of rooms have fans and light fixtures too, another constraint to account for. I picture the wires taut and as close to the ceiling as possible
delichon 8 hours ago
They compare it to a robotic arm, but they are a natural combination. Two arms, even, floating above it all, could scratch the dog, make breakfast, and maybe someday, fold a fitted sheet.
stronglikedan 8 hours ago
Even if all it can do is scratch my back, I'm in!
swid 9 hours ago
They designed the cables to go down into the room, instead of from the ceiling - seems like that is a deal breaker for most environments actually, because you need the whole room to have open space just to drop it to the floor all over.
They say they use 4 actuators, but if they only used 3, this problem would be solved.
Instead of independently controlling all four lines, you can join the lines leaving each corner unit and then just move the line left or right instead of reeling two different lines in and out. You still use the corner eye loops, and you use two cables that are X+Y in length. This allows you to pick a point on the ceiling. Then a third actuator and line in the gripper itself could lower itself to the floor.
cloudfudge 9 hours ago
If I understand what you're suggesting, wouldn't this result in a lot more swinging since the gripper would be suspended from a single point directly above it?
swid 9 hours ago
You seem to. That is a good point I hadn't considered - the tension from the sides holds it in place. Maybe we need to use a telescoping arm (which doesn't seem practical, I'm mostly joking). It might still work, but I imagine if you don't grab it on the first try, you may have to go back to the ceiling. And hope there are no strong drafts in the room.
EDIT: maybe lower it on three lines instead of one?
CyLith 9 hours ago
That too is a solvable problem if you have the sensors for it. You can critically damp or choose a motion profile to have essentially no swing.
carb 8 hours ago
How do you prevent having to grab things perfectly in their center of mass? (Because that requirement seems limiting)
Rigid objects would result in the gripper twisting, but the current design could offset some of that by pulling harder in one direction?
swid 8 hours ago
With the video, it is casually dropping things like clothes and toys into a bucket, so I'm not sure it would be a big deal. But you could also lower it via three lines instead of one, so there is something to counteract that.
darkmighty 9 hours ago
I didn't understand if exactly this feature is available, but I think it would be a good idea to let the strings actually come off each motor completely when yanked hard. Interesting idea :)
monkeydust 10 hours ago
Super smart but it's one of those ideas that hopefully gives someone else in this space another idea that leads to something that could mass scale and I would buy. Love the ingenuity though.
bananzamba 5 hours ago
When not in use it should just hang on the ceiling as a fancy lamp
scirob 8 hours ago
This guy does well on Instagram. Good hustle hope it works in irk reviews. Hope it survives to get to v3
nlitsme 8 hours ago
Seems to work for people who basically have very empty rooms, and very orderly piles of things.
SoleilAbsolu 8 hours ago
And are short enough to walk around without getting clotheslined by the cable!
devmor 8 hours ago
It seems like the kind of thing you would set up to run when you are not in the room. The cables appear to stay taut and out of the way when it's not running.
Their example of it being used to move items between robotics stations in an automated workshop seems far more widely-applicable than the in-home solution, which I imagine is primarily aimed at assisting people with physical disabilities rather than those of us who can easily bend down and pick things up without pain or exhaustion.
sfblah 7 hours ago
You should make a demo where it plays chess with an actual board.
HoldOnAMinute 5 hours ago
That's awesome!!
smnplk 9 hours ago
Looks good, but I am waiting for Droneman
goodpoint 5 hours ago
Crazy expensive
jauntywundrkind 7 hours ago
I love this so much.
I built a big swing arm in my dorm, so I had two 40lb+ 21" CRT dangling free under some pulleys. Keyboard mouse space below. Then myself on a hammock chair, also swinging. Just a couple pieces of 2x4 reinforced with some angle iron, some door hinges, some cables & pulleys. It was really fun.
I've dreamed of having just a good 2d robot that can, like, hold a camera and pan. I saw Stringman here a couple of weeks ago & it's been hard to not thing about it! I don't own though, so, seems unlikely I'd commit, as alas the walls are not a simple white I can easily patch & paint. But so cool!
iJohnDoe 10 hours ago
It's an interesting concept. If you scroll through the page you'll see it's actually pretty strong. The blanket pick up video should actually be the first video.
My fear is that a company that has the money to build and manufacture this will rip off the idea and use their resources to polish the concept. With a lot polish, this type of thing can be useful in certain environments.
Karliss 8 hours ago
Cable robots have existed for decades this is not a new concept. Anyone who wanted to rip it off could have done it long time ago.
teraflop an hour ago
Yes, I remember seeing another amateur project like this about a decade ago (without the "grabber" part) from scanlime on YouTube.
HeyLaughingBoy 9 hours ago
So, you fear someone else making it "useful in certain environments?"
iJohnDoe 6 hours ago
Not necessarily fear. More so, an organization with more resources could take the concept further.
By certain environments, I meant it would seem more useful in industrial or controlled environments where automation is more pratical.
I wasn't familiar with cable robots like this, so it seemed cool.
stainablesteel 9 hours ago
get funding for this, it's worth a shot
bigcat12345678 9 hours ago
Come on this is not up to the standard. Consumer product must be highly polished, it can be fully unfuncyional, but it needs to look good. This one is close to my 8 years old son's tape+random lego pieces...
spwa4 6 hours ago
Reminds me of the surgery robot. Talk about an unbeatable surgery conversation:
"Make another incision ... NO! QUICK! Plug the hole with the knife"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_BlNA7bBxo
Or perhaps I should say: what about safety? Not that any of the billionaire AI companies could have been created if they actually cared about (legal, mostly) safety ... so perhaps you should just go ahead and ignore it.
nhnifong 4 hours ago
Honestly yes. Everything is already too safe.
yeehawjared 9 hours ago
LOL @ tension is all you need
brcmthrowaway 8 hours ago
Looks jank as fuck. Why can they not stop the wobble?
thenthenthen 8 hours ago
At least it’s not a straw man! I will see myself out