Gemini Omni 1.2 Flash (blog.google)
144 points by thisisauserid 2 hours ago
wxce 2 hours ago
It's insane how Google has dropped the ball almost completely with AI.
I literally don't care about their models anymore because I can't even try them without paying for them?
I already pay for the plus plan but whatever their latest model was, is locked for me. Or otherwise it's just not accessible for me.
If I try to add balance to my Google payment account, it shows me errors and is asking me to verify my identity through government documents.
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Not to mention the extremely confusing terminology. "Flash", "Experimental". Why are most of your models either of those two? I don't get the confidence that your models are any good because of such names. Give me a normal reliable model!
Even if Google releases AGI tier models in the future, I'll always look for other models because Google clearly thinks their models are too good for any of us.
ttul an hour ago
AI Studio is legitimately the worst UX experience on the internet. For a company with unlimited cash and the ability to hire the best talent, I just don’t get it. Give nearly anyone else a few hours alone with that codebase and Opus-5.5 and it will be looking 1,000x better.
brightball 4 minutes ago
Agreed.
When I signed a few devs at work up for Gemini for Code I had to go into Google Cloud, jump through several different screens, assign special permissions to each dev to make it work and even when it did work...it was insanely confusing compared to every other option out there.
It's to the point where I'm better off asking Grok Bot set it up for me rather than ever deal with figuring it out again.
swores an hour ago
> "AI Studio is legitimately the worst UX experience on the internet."
I find it hard to believe there aren't worse ones out there. But off the top of my head I actually can't think of any...
Quite incredible that you can say a sentence like that, while talking about something within Google(/Alphabet) that's actually an important area for them (not just some random little side project), and yet it isn't hyperbolic, it's sincere!
Everyone there overseeing it (from direct management all the way up to C-suite) should truly feel embarrassed.
kristofferc an hour ago
I wanted to pay them money to try their things. I just literally couldn't figure out how to do it. I think I then managed to get some trial credits but I never managed to activate anything with them and hit API limit after basically one prompt.
btown 30 minutes ago
tempest_ 27 minutes ago
swaptr 9 minutes ago
totetsu 14 minutes ago
mrieck 12 minutes ago
They're banned from using Opus-5.5 or other competitor models so they can't fix it.
tempest_ 30 minutes ago
If you have ever worked for a large company you can quickly imagine why they cant execute. Google is old now and entrenched. We will see how long it takes them to become IBM/GE etc. (if they are not already headed that direction).
Do they still have 5 messaging apps or did they finally trim it down.
muzani an hour ago
Ironically, Gemini is excellent with UI/UX, and somehow they can't use it to improve themselves.
zarmin 13 minutes ago
>For a company with unlimited cash and the ability to hire the best talent
Right. They lack no resources. Therefore, what is happening must be what they want to happen.
Imustaskforhelp an hour ago
Google has an near monopoly on Internet ads (or rather a duo-poly combined with Facebook). Having such an monopoly makes them have hindsights on what they are doing and how they are failing, or even if they do, the incentives and management just aren't cleanly aligned with what ought to be the case.
adventured 11 minutes ago
jorl17 an hour ago
There have been months where we've paid 1500€ for my AI models, but I can't bother with Google's models because I literally don't know how to get them. Every time I look it up it looks incredibly cumbersome and confusing. It's not clear which models I get, if I can get them on my personal accounts or need the work account. It's just too confusing.
I am a Google Workspace customer by the way (have multiple accounts, actually!).
Google must really not care about me as a customer, and instead only care about the enterprise.
e12e an hour ago
I'm quite happy using antigravity fwiw. I use Claude code for work. Only tried agy because I was already paying for Google one (youtube music, youtube without ads/premium and a few TB of storage).
Antigravity come with Google's models and anthropic - so Gemini 4 Argon, Gemini 3.8 Flash, Claude Opus 5.5 Claude Sonnet 5.5 and GPT-OSS 120B.
Agy is better than Claude code in some ways and vice versa.
Google models are great.
Ironically google music is so terrible I've uninstalled it and use Metrolist exclusively.
I think google models do a decent job helping me put together a blog, for example:
(Content is typical 90s homepage stuff, not great. But model voice isn't as grating as Claude - and while it has a "look" I think it's s bit better).
jorl17 40 minutes ago
sebzim4500 an hour ago
The only sane way is to do it through openrouter. I spent hours trying to figure out how to use one of their two competing APIs that expose the models natively, it ended up being a waste of time.
jorl17 an hour ago
Barbing 14 minutes ago
> get them on my personal accounts
Would want assurances they won’t permaban a Gmail for a false positive for something on their LLM offering. Like the risk with Google Photos (thinking about the dad sending a doctor a photo of his son’s rash).
esseph an hour ago
It's right here: https://gemini.google/subscriptions/
Have used them both for work with google workspace accts, and personally, with antigravity in linux.
jorl17 36 minutes ago
shooker435 an hour ago
It's confusing for enterprises, too. Believe it or not, the cloud sales team recommends hiring partners to set up basic auth and "landing zones" for the APIs.
WarmWash an hour ago
Flash-lite haiku luna
Flash sonnet tera
Pro Opus Sol
Argon Fable Astra
These are the (approximately) equivalent model classes between the labs
Experimental means not production, so liable to change in the near future if you decide to build on it.
Omni is a video editing model, and flash implies it's a lighter weight one than what they have/could have. The other labs don't have competing models here.
andai an hour ago
What's Carbon then? I haven't been paying much attention to Google but their naming has been confusing me.
Luna/Terra/Sol/Astra was a bit pretentious but at least the sizing makes sense. (I imagined the meeting... "Ok guys, we're getting mogged on naming... what's more epic than a Myth?" -"The SUN!")
Anthropic makes sense with the literary "scale" naming, mostly.
Is a Carbon bigger than an Argon though? Maybe it has to do with the atomic number?
conception 7 minutes ago
WarmWash 42 minutes ago
lukeschlather 20 minutes ago
baq an hour ago
Argon is not same tier as Astra and Fable. the upcoming, similarly unavailable Carbon maybe is.
WarmWash an hour ago
spyspy 24 minutes ago
spyspy 28 minutes ago
People really seem to struggle with this and I can't figure out why... Like it kind of just reads like astroturfing in every thread. I downloaded agy, purchased a subscription that the splash page said "includes Argon" and it... works?
3.8 flash and argon have been great FYI. Can't tell a difference between any of the claude models I use at work, minus actually being able to read what it writes.
david-gpu 15 minutes ago
I can tell you that I have a Gemini plus subscription I still don't have anything more recent than 3.6 Flash. In consequence, I never use Gemini anymore, and instead have a PAYG plan on Deep Infra.
So, no, it is not astroturfing.
dataflow an hour ago
> I literally don't care about their models anymore because I can't even try them without paying for them?
Where are you finding ways to try e.g. Opus without paying for it?
fooblaster 43 minutes ago
well, search is free right? the hostility here is a little excessive
bajard 15 minutes ago
I can't use it. The webpage reloads continuously after logging in. It's probably some ad blocker add-on, but it's the only web AI that doesn't work, so I simply don't use it at all.
andai an hour ago
This sentiment is the top comment I'm seeing on every recent Google release. That it's impossible to actually access the tech, or even pay for it.
I heard someone say on the last such thread that you can use their models thru OpenRouter, and that this is much more pleasant than trying to use them thru Google directly. Looks like it's up there already:
jrmg 27 minutes ago
Also Vercel:
https://vercel.com/ai-gateway/models/gemini-omni-1.2-flash
If you're using any sort of router middle-man new models are usually easy to try.
TheAceOfHearts 43 minutes ago
Alphabet is a company with too much money and resources, which means they don't end up trying very hard to acquire and retain customers for any of these products since it's just a blip in their overall revenue. It's time to split them up.
w0m an hour ago
I think the gap here is you're thinking that you are their customer.
david-gpu 14 minutes ago
We literally paid them for a Gemini subscription. How does that not make us a customer?
theplumber 25 minutes ago
Google is a dying company. Abandon the ship! Everything they do in terms of AI is really worthless.
infecto an hour ago
It truly is. I acutallu signed up for an annual plan because I used the image models for design ideas on my house. Few weeks ago they announced changes, no more pro models. It’s laughable how much they keep screwing up.
Pxtl an hour ago
They may have dropped the ball on AI-for-programmers, but the Google slopbot is the one the normies use. As much as their AI summaries used to be the biggest joke in the industry, today they're the one I think normies who aren't "AI people" are using the most day-to-day. I see a lot of people doing it:
Search with Google, see the AI summary and the search results, realise they want more detailed info, and put that request for clarification into the AI reply and now they're off to the races on a Google AI conversation.
Now, it's questionable how "sticky" that is and latest financials revealed it was extremely unprofitable, but in terms of raw "who's using AI" it seems to be working for them.
dcrazy 20 minutes ago
Bingo, this is exactly how I use AI personally. There’s just too much SEO spam to wade through on search results anymore, and Google’s AI Mode RAG is pretty good at citing trustworthy sources when I want to dive in.
DuckDuckGo’s equivalent feature is unfortunately too prone to hallucination, especially whatever cheap model they are using for AI summaries. Once you click in it switches to GPT Luna, which will sometimes hilariously correct the previous response.
tantalor 19 minutes ago
skill issue?
quibono 2 minutes ago
Okay, I just wanted to vent: I'm on the Pro plan and I've not been able to use Argon for the past 4 days - every time I send a prompt I get downgraded to a Flash model.
Makes me consider cancelling the plan entirely.
msabalau 33 minutes ago
This is a new video model. It is not a replacement for Gemini 4, it is doing something altogether different.
It has been available, since yesterday, within Google Flow. I know, because I used it yesterday. Creatives normally are using Flow or similar third party tools, not APIs or AI Studio. The claim here is that there is more character consistency, which is helpful if true. But that's not something I can see from a little work. Despite the "More Affordable" claim, it costs more, and the outputs doesn't, from my limited experience so far, seem to be significantly better. So I could only, personally, justify pulling this up when character consistency is punching me in the face. Which, to be fair, is a lot of the time, both in my experience, and the experience of other AI film makers I talk to.
This isn't for (most) coders, it hardly matters if it shows up on Flow a little earlier that Google Vids, and, perhaps, it is a little silly to act like it is a nightmare that a rollout occurs over a few days, especially the rollout prioritizes the paying creatives on the tool that are most likely to use.
Willingham an hour ago
The rollout is so confusing. Going straight to the Gemini app and asking when I can use this model gets me vague and contradicting answers. Ultimately it sounds like the Vids rollout will take 1-3 days, and you can go to vids.new on desktop to see if you’ve won the lottery and have it available now, apparently on any free Google account. Business accounts can use it too. Meanwhile the Gemini app is getting it on paid plans, but with different video length limits and no clear rollout timeline. If you pay for the API, it’s available now apparently.
Why is this so difficult to figure out?
WarmWash an hour ago
https://flow.google.com/ is where most people would use the model. You get credits with your monthly sub that you can spend on flow.
CharlieDigital an hour ago
Never even heard of this until today.
I think they are doing a terrible job with their product packaging. Like others, I also gave up with Google models long ago due to difficulty in accessing and low limits.
My gut is that this is reflective of their fragmented internal product organization around AI.
WarmWash 41 minutes ago
iAMkenough 13 minutes ago
Uhg that’s my issue. I keep getting it mixed up with https://wave.google.com/
Go with the Flow, don’t ride the Wave.
jcelerier an hour ago
I opened ai studio and i see it popping up, on a normal account: https://aistudio.google.com/prompts/new_chat?model=gemini-om...
jjulius 20 minutes ago
>Going straight to the Gemini app and asking when I can use this model gets me vague and contradicting answers.
In other words, business as usual.
del82 18 minutes ago
I desperately wish Google would focus on improving the Gemini capabilities that are built-in to their office suite (docs, slides, etc.). The current built-in Gemini is terrible, and if I could use e.g. Claude natively with those products my workday would be an order of magnitude more productive.
I'm shocked that they don't seem to be investing in agentic capabilities there at all.
poilcn 2 hours ago
Somewhere in the middle of the video it would suddenly scroll one screen back, happens with all videos on the page, eh
hulkmusic an hour ago
When playback ends on one of the videos, the page jumps back to that video for some reason. I saw this too when I had multiple videos playing at once and the earlier clip on the page finished while watching another one lower on the page.
4pkjai an hour ago
noticed that too
armcat an hour ago
Completely random, but I was inspecting the source code for their Omni 1.2 Flash web page, and there are insane amount of newlines. There are seven newlines between the first line and the DOCTYPE. There are huge amount of newlines between each section. What did they use to generate this website?
citrin_ru an hour ago
Enterprise websites tend to have very complicated content generation systems with little care about performance (including html/css/js size). What's hypocritical is that Google penalizes in SERP sites which have poor performance score yet Google's own sites are far from exemplary.
origini an hour ago
Enterprise websites have often enough this issue.
they might have a composer layer which loads certain components (transparent to you) with and without authentication and mixing different backend sources.
Then they might have templating engines and frameworks.
Sometimes they just don't care but lets be honest: a few new lines are a few bytes.
But the most critical pages go through optimizers for traffic
amelius an hour ago
Perhaps they used:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_(programming_langua...
amelius an hour ago
It's the watermarking of the AI they used :)
LoganDark an hour ago
Kebab
collabs an hour ago
A simple observation I have
> https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/med...
Text from the first paragraph on the page says
> Today, we’re rolling out Gemini Omni 1.2 Flash, and making it generally available across the Gemini API and Gemini for business. Gemini Omni 1.2 Flash introduces native 15-second video creation, multi-turn conversational editing capabilities, and enhanced reference following. We have dropped the price 30% from Gemini Omni 1.1 making it available at $0.07 per second for 720p video.
Focus on this part
> We have dropped the price 30%
The text to speech audio says
> We have dropped the price 3%
liveoneggs an hour ago
They built a youtube-immolation machine - but to what end?
crustaceansoup a minute ago
Parity with their admitted Search-immolation machine maybe
muddi900 10 minutes ago
It seems to me that LLMs are using simulation for cloth generations.
They move a lot like 3d models.
jshmrsn 3 minutes ago
It’s not the LLMs themselves, it’s the training data that they are trained on being supplemented by synthetic video from simulations / 3D rendering.
srge an hour ago
Not going to even read this post. While I have been really bullish on Google I am now tired of them constantly baiting us with vaporware announcements unfortunately.
hangrybear666 34 minutes ago
What's this name and versioning now, NOBODY understands Google's Ai products, including subscribers to them.
Why their models go from 3 to 4 but then whatever this is starts at 1 I honestly don't care anymore
My friend on Google ai plus is still stuck on gemini 3.6 flash and now they're taking away 3.1 pro from them too even though it's long obsolete, like zero regard for user interactions here
geooff_ 32 minutes ago
It's amazing to me how poor adoption has been for video models, at least in my corner of the internet. I see considerably more Code to Video content from libraries like HyperFrames than any native AI video. It seems that users are much more open to AI coded "Explained style" videos than anything else.
tabbiee 2 hours ago
Price is $1.50 in Input and $9.00/$12.00 (text/video) in Output per 1M tokens
cubefox 33 minutes ago
$0.07 per second for 720p video.
XCSme an hour ago
Is the previous Gemini 4 Carbon model live yet? I still don't see it on OpenRouter... but this one seems to be there
thisisauserid 2 hours ago
Extending an exiting video by 15 seconds is pretty nuts.
dude250711 2 hours ago
That is sad... I tried to guess and ignore AI videos (created to be deliberately misleading as "realistic") by length, but I guess that time is over now.
jonkrone 2 hours ago
Wait, I thought we were on Gemini 4?
pyjarrett an hour ago
It would be incredibly helpful to me if AI model names followed cars.
I'm not scratching my head about a "2025 Corolla." Windows 95 and 2000 had this built in, but then they lost it.
I'd prefer it was called Omni 2026.2 instead. It embeds a date and model and would package it as a product for on-premise or local hosting. It'd be easier to sell to the bean counters in the future: "We're running Omni 2026.2, we want to upgrade to Omni 2028."
seunosewa 2 hours ago
Omni is a video model.
LtdJorge 2 hours ago
Which, from a naming standpoint, doesn't make any sense
rdtsc 2 hours ago
But it still starts with “Gemini”. It would be better if they called it Gemini Omni 4, 4.1 etc. Otherwise call it just Omni 1.2 and drop the Gemini prefix.
LoganDark an hour ago
brookst 2 hours ago
It’s still bad versioning and will confuse people.
thisisauserid an hour ago
Not sure why this is so mysterious to everyone.
Google's main source of revenue is advertising (yes, still).
This is one of paths that serve that.
Still confused? Look at what Meta is doing with end-to-end ad creation.
I'm not saying Omni makes good ads. It's all part of the toolbox.
yipinwong an hour ago
Trying to "test" the model on OpenRouter, and keep failing with Gemini uptime being "68%".
What a great way to start.
bmiekre an hour ago
Why do we need this?
falcor84 an hour ago
TFA is literally a marketing piece for why someone might want to use it. If you personally don't need it, that's ok, you're just not their target audience.
WhrRTheBaboons an hour ago
its pretty telling that the only compelling argument put forth by their own article is 'advertising'
rudolftheone an hour ago
Google, just go back to making products instead of throwing announcements.
syntaxing an hour ago
Hot take, Google should focus on their open weight models. I use Qwen 3.8 and it’s been amazing. I would pay for Max but there’s no provider or server here in the states. If they had an amazing Gemma 5, I would seriously consider trying their closed source models. Model comfort and familiarity is a real thing.
hypfer 38 minutes ago
If I understand correctly, the use-case for this is video B-roll? Because what else am I supposed to do with 15s of videos.
So, to badly impersonate N-Gate, "Business Model: Uber for Getty Images"
msabalau 21 minutes ago
The average length of a shot in full length feature film today is like three seconds. Even back in the old days, the average shot was like 12 seconds. Most movies are made up sequences and scenes made up of lots and lots of shots.
Increasing the available range of shot lengths from 10 seconds to 15 seconds gives film makers a wider pallet of options, if the longer shots have continuity, which is the other claim here.
I'm not aware of any "one-shot", one and done, use cases that are much more compelling the clip is 15s vs 10s. But that's not relevant to many people actually using AI video models like this on a daily basis.
hypfer 19 minutes ago
That's cool, but I don't see why one would want to watch a movie like that.
For B-Roll it's different. I can somewhat see the why behind that. It's just to give your brain something to look at so that you don't have a voice-only podcast.
But movies OTOH are these creative endeavors where the shots _are_ the content instead of just augmenting the content.
This won't stop the industry from still trying to use this tech like that, of course.
msabalau 6 minutes ago
mikelopez an hour ago
I don't trust Google on AI. They should do an spin off if they want to be relevant in AI.
amunozo an hour ago
DeepMind would be a good name for it!
iruoy 2 hours ago
At least this one is available immediately.
NitpickLawyer 2 hours ago
Waiting for someone to test it with "~~A pelican~~Will Smith eating pasta while riding a bicycle" or something...
spwa4 an hour ago
Of all the uses of AI, producing convincing video is just about the worst one in my opinion.
sirmike_ 2 hours ago
it’s a shame that Google/Gemini decided to restrict and fuck other adventurous yet extremely gracious paying customers; who were excited at the prospect of not being locked in to two obnoxious companies.
oh well, I guess we’ll just have to take that enthusiasm and roll it over to all the open weights on providers like fireworks.ai. or others.
i’m so happy I got in early and paid for $200 a month for shit ass Opus 4.6 and sonnet 4.6 and being locked into the absolutely limited Gemini 3.8 flash.
azan_ 2 hours ago
> who were excited at the prospect of not being locked in to two obnoxious companies.
Is being locked in to three obnoxious companies that much better?